02.17.08
Posted in Agnosticism, Atheism, C. S. Lewis, Christianity, Deity, Epistemology, Film, Fossil-Hiding God, God, Hell, Judaism, Knowledge, Logic, Skepticism, Theism, Yahweh at 4:06 pm by Kullervo
Like I said in my last post, I’m extremely hesitant to just come out and say that I flat-out don’t believe in God in the typical atheist sense. This isn’t hedging my bet; I absolutely don’t believe in hell, I’m skeptical about an afterlife anyway (and even if there is one, I doubt very strongly that the particulars can be known), and a quick scan of the state of the world tells me that it doesn’t look like people who believe in God are getting all the breaks. Part of it is an agnostic approach to epistemology: I don’t see how humans can know anything for sure at all. All our sensory input is filtered through the double-filter of sensation and perception, and there’s no particular reason to trust that either one of those filters feeds us objective data. We can’t really be sure that we’re not in The Matrix, so we certainly can’t be sure of something as attenuated from our direct empirical experience as the existence or nonexistence of God.
As far as we know, there is a God who is simply cleverly making the universe look to us like there is no God (I call this “Fossil-Hiding God”). How would we know? If an omnipotent or even mostly-potent supernatural being with more or less total control over the universe wanted to cover his tracks completely, I imagine he could do it pretty well. Either way, like I said in my last post, I’m not actually convinced by the logical arguments of atheists for the nonexistence of God. Despite all out efforts to reason him out of existence, I think it possible that he nevertheless exists–C. S. Lewis’s fantastic novel, Till We Have Faces, had a proufound the way I thought about the existence of deity and made me extremely reluctant to flat-out deny that the divine exists, even if it is totally unlike the traditional Judeo-Christian conetption of Yahweh.
So in terms of the existence versus nonexistence of God, I’m really more of an agnostic with a theoretically rebuttable presumption God’s nonexistence, at least inasmuch as we’re talking about God as a distinct transcendant supernatural personal entity, with or without a flowing white beard.
That’s not the end of the story, though. the word “God” can be stretched to fit an amazing diversity of theistic and quasi-theistic concepts, many of which aren’t anything at all like the traditional Judeo-Christian conception of the supreme being, and it turns out that I actually do believe in something that if pressed, I could call God (although I would be reluctant to do so because the label “God” would confuse most people by implying that there’s a beard in there somewhere). I think it’s worth explaining what I mean by all of this, especially since I’m actually trying to get to a point eventually, but I’m not going to make this post more confusing than it already is. So hold your horses a bit and wait for the next post.
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Posted in Allah, Apollo, Atheism, Christian Mysticism, Christianity, God, Islam, Jesus, Joan of Arc, Joseph Smith, Logic, Mormonism, Mysticism, Neopaganism, Prayer, Prophecy, Psyche, Religion, Science, Scripture, Sufism, Theism at 2:15 pm by Kullervo
The simple answer is that I just don’t. While I don’t have a conceptual problem with God’s theoretical existence–I’m not actually convinced by the formal logical arguments of atheists because I’m not actually usually convinced by formal logic at all–I simply have a hard time believeing that a being matching the description of most theists exists.
I will grant that it doesn’t look to me like God is necessary. We don’t need God to explain the phenomena of the natural world. no, scientists haven’t figured everything out yet, but they have figured out a surprising amount and there’s no particular reason to assume that there’s any area where they won’t be able to make any headway at all. At least, to our knowledge there’s not a big off-limits gap in scientific understanding that seems to be marked off by God as his and his alone. So there’s no need for a “God of the gaps.”
I also don’t think that the existence of God is necessary to make sense of human existence. Perhaps we need to believe in a God to make sense of our lives, but that doesn’t mean that such a deity in fact exists. I’m not sos sure that the nonexistence of God necessarily implies a cold and unjust universe, but if it does, then so be it. If the universe is cold and unjust then it is cold and unjust–the fact that it makes me uncomfortable does not imply the existence of an all-powerful supernatural being who can and will fix everything.
Certainly I do not believe in a personal God. If something exists in the universe (or as the universe) that we could stretch the term “god” to fit around, and it certainly might, I’m skeptical that it would be a personal entity capable of (or likely to) interact with us on our level. While I find the idea of a personal god appealing, I’m not going to believe it just because I want to, and it doesn;t resonate with me well enough for me to plunge into the idea without a better reason. I think that at least some of the burden of proof is on God to reveal himself, especially if he is a personal God and especially if we make an effort to connect with him from our side. I have never had an experience that would lead me to believe (or even really to infer) that God is personal. God has never spoken to me, and “spoken to me through his Holy Book/Holy Prophet(s)/Only Begotten Son” absolutely doesn’t cut it. That is a woefully insufficient copout. If there’s a personal God, he should be able to talk to me personally. He hasn’t and he doesn’t, so I have no reason to believe in him except for the testimony of others.
What of the testimony of others? I realize that plenty of people claim to have had mystical experiences with a personal God. I know some atheists would just label them crazy, but I’m not comfortable with that. I’m inclined to think that there is something to these mystical experiences that people have been claiming to have since the dawn of time when the first shaman went on a vision quest, but I am also not inclined to believe that they are reliable evidence for a personal God. There are too many alternate plausible explanations, even validating the mystical experiences. Such experiences could be, for example, communication with or journey into the human psyche, clad in metaphor and symbol. They could even be some kind of state of oneness with the external universe but one that has to me re-interpreted by human consciousness to make sense of it. In other words, the mystics have touched something too big to be comprehended so their minds put a face and a personality on it so their heads don’t explode. At the very least the diversity of recorded mystical experience would seem to undermine the likelihood of us being able to take them at face value (as contact with a personal God), especially since as I understand it, people tend to have mystical experiences that are more or less consistent with or at least complimentary to their native religious tradition. If Jesus is talking to Christian mystics, Allah is talking to the Sufis, and Apollo is talking to the Neopagans, then we have a bit of a problem. at least, none of their experiences tells us much about objective reality.
If I had a personal experience with a personal God, I might be willing to change my tune. I realize that such a mystical experience would be intensely subjective and wouldn’t actually tell me any more about the objective universe than the mystical experiences of Joseph Smith or Joan of Arc, but at least I’d be willing to subjectively believe in a personal God. Of course I would have to retain the reservation that it was extremely likely that the God I was experiencing was merely an aspect of my own psyche, or a face my own brain had imposed on an immense and unknowable transcendant reality. But in any case, such a mystical experience of a personal God has never happened to me. Even in twenty-eight years as an active, believing Mormon, the best I got as answers to my prayers were vague feelings and impressions, things that were far more likely to have come from inside my head than from outside it.
I’ve spent a good portion of this last year yearning for contact with God, but it hasn’t happened. At least, not in a way that satisfies me. It has come to the point where I don’t think God’s going to give me a call, so I’m not really waiting for it or expecting it anymore. So while I’m not denying the existence of God, I can’t say that I actively believe in one. You can only let the telephone ring for so long before you’ve got to eventually conclude that nobody’s going to pick it up.
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01.21.08
Posted in AODA, Baptism, Belief, Book of Mormon, Christianity, Christmas, Church, Conversion, Druidry, Emergent, Emerging Church, Environmentalism, Episcopal Church, Hinduism, Iraq, Law School, Life, Military, Missionary, Mormonism, Mysticism, National Guard, Nature, New York City, Prayer, Qur'an, Religion, Temple, Urban Living, Word of Wisdom at 12:06 pm by Kullervo
So, I thought I was going to be sent to Iraq with my National Guard unit this month. Turns out it’s not happening. If you have any experience with the military, you know how things can change at the last minute. Anyway, I mentioned in an older post that I was reluctant to make any big decisions because of the upcoming mysterious, major life-changing event, and that’s what it was. Now it isn’t happening. So life goes on, and I no longer have an excuse for resting on my laurels. But what do I do now?
We haven’t been going to church for awhile, and I have long stopped praying (since it started to seem mechanical and pointless). Do I start again? Do I give Christianity another go? If so, what kind? Back to Cedar Ridge? Back to Grace Episcopal? Just be a Christian on my own and don’t worry about church? What does becoming a Christian even mean? What does one do? Becoming Mormon is a fairly regimented process: you take the missionary discussions, you read the Book of Mormon, you pray to know if it’s true (and get Your Testimony), you attend church meetings, you commit to live the Word of Wisdom and the Law of Chastity, you get baptized, you get confirmed, you get the priesthood, you go to the temple, you get callings, and you endure to the end. It’s all extremely structured. I know how to become Mormon. But I don’t know how you become Christian. At what point do you become Christian? What’s the right motivation for becoming Christian? What does “being Christian” look like?
Do I even want to be Christian? Right now, the answer feels like no. Especially since Christmas is over.
Do I start a candidate year with the Ancient Order of Druids in America? Do I want to? Do I really want Druidry as a belief system? Is it all just New Age flakery? Do I want my whole life to be Celtic-y? Do I always want to be thinking about ancient times and yearning for the forest? Not really. After I’m done with law school we’re moving back to New York, where we’ll probably stay. I like the woods and nature, but I also love the city. I feel compelled to be environmentally conscious and take care of the earth, but I actually think in many ways urban living is the best way to do that (it’s certainly more sustainable than suburban living).
There are a lot of things about Druidry that I find very appealing, but do I want to color my whole life with that crayon? The answer feels like no?
Do I abandon the journey and just get on with life without God and without religion? I’ve been sailing for awhile and it doesn’t seem like Byzantium is anywhere in sight. I’m kind of getting tired of looking for it. My main roadblock is clear (I was nervous about making any hasty decisions with such a major punctuation mark on the horizon), so what do I do? Hinduism? The Qur’an? What?
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01.18.08
Posted in Agnosticism, Christianity, Depression, Druidry, Existence, Reality, Religion at 8:20 pm by Kullervo
I don’t love the idea of agnosticism, but I think it’s where I’m going to end up. I like religion, and think it would be great to have one, but it seems like they all do such a terrible terrible job of coming even anywhere close to capturing the ups and downs and complexities of “life, the universe, and everything.” They’re all too simple. Existence is too complex.
I don’t really think I’ll ever be able to simply adopt a belief system, and I don’t think it’s really possible for me (or anyone else, for that matter) to figure one out on my own that would be anything other than a sham.
I spent my whole life with a solid belief system to fall back on, and now I don’t have one and I don’t think I’m going to find one. I don’t think Christianity’s going to work for me. As much as I would love Druidry to work, I don’t think it will either. I’m sure religions can work and do work for some people, and in fact I honestly think people are better off when they do, but I just don’t see how it can happen.
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01.04.08
Posted in Academia, Asgard, Belief, Brahman, Christianity, Family, God, Hinduism, Holy Ghost, Joseph Campbell, Monotheism, Mormonism, Mount Olympus, Mysticism, Myth, Mythology, Polytheism, Pragmatism, Psyche, Psychology, Religion, Santa Claus at 11:58 am by Kullervo
This one isn’t about Jesus at all, but as it’s kind of a continuation of my last post, and I’m feeling silly, well… hey, I don’t have to justify the names of my own blog posts to anyone.
Like I’ve said before, although I haven’t been blogging, I have been continuing to think things through and to engage in conversation with people about my standard topics of life, the universe, and everything. In particular, I have had some interesting discussions with my brother (who comments here periodically under the nom de plume Racticas), who is a grad student in religious studies. One of the idea sets we’ve been tossing around lately is Neopaganism.
When talking paganism, the issue of polytheism naturally comes up. Polytheism is definitely an idea that has to be accomodated rather than assimilated, because as western people we come into the picture with a fairly heavy bias towards monotheism. My Mormon background gets periodically accused of a polytheistic bent by some Evangelical critics, but even as an ex-Mormon, I don’t think the accusation is appropriate. Although Mormonism posits a comparatively limited God, believes that the members of the Godhead (father, son, and holy ghost) are completely distinct in substance, and accepts the possibility (or even necessity) of the existence of other gods coequal to, subordinate to, or even superior to Our Heavenly Father, in practice Mormonism is still thoroughly monotheistic. The existence of other gods is an academic possibility for Mormons, and the only god they deal with and the only god who has ultimate power over this world is God the Father.
I go into detail about the Mormon perspective because it’s my background and thus informs where I am now, and accusations to the contrary notwithstanding, my background, and thus my default position, is monotheistic. And I bring all of this up in order to admit my preexisting bias when I then explain why I don’t believe in literal polytheism.
Which brings me to my point: I don’t believe in literal polytheism. I have enough trouble accepting the existence of one personal god; the idea of many personal gods seems even less plausible. As figures of myth, the gods and goddesses of ancient people seem much more plausible to me as either metaphors of the human condition or as metaphoric personifications of different aspects of the transcendent divine, i.e. Masks of God. I simply do not believe, however, that there are a bunch of real literal distinct divine beings living on Mount Olympus or in Asgard or another dimension or a spiritual plane or something. I just don’t buy it.
Now that’s not to say that I think the gods and goddesses of myth (including Jesus and the Father) are useless things. If there is a real transecndent divinity, I am inclined to think it impossible to deal with it directly in any kind of meaningful way. Thus, we may need personifications and metaphors to be able to approach the divine in a way that our psyches can handle. In other words, we may be putting the masks on God because otherwise God is so far outside of our experience and existence that the unmasked God would be meaningless, inaccessible, and incomprehensible to us. I think of it like this: if a two-dimensional being existed, it could never comprehend us in our fullness as three-dimensional beings. The best it could do would be to imagine a two-dimensional representation of us, but even then it could never be a complete representation. Being two-dimensional the best it could do was approximate a certain aspect, slice, or facet (or simplified agglomeration of several aspects) of our three-dimensional reality. If God exists at all outside our psyches, then so it is with God.
At its heart, this is what Christianity is all about–God become man so that man can relate to God. Its the essence of Hinduism as well, where all things, the gods and goddesses especially, are merely aspects of Brahman.
Alternately, if “God” is just something in our heads, something embedded in the human psyche, then I still think that anthropomorphized representations of God or gods are the best way for us to make sense of it. This is the Joseph Campbell route. We make sense of existence primarily by metaphor and symbol, and that includes conceptualizing symbolic and metaphorical gods.
The moral of my story is that if I were to be a pagan of any stripe, I couldn’t be a strict, literal polytheist. And even if I were to have a mystical encounter with a god or gods, I would still strongly suspect that I had merely put a mask on something otherwise completely transcendent and incomprehensible so that I could comprehend it, as opposed to thinking that whatever god I had encountered had a real, literal, separate and distinct existence of its own. Unless it told me it did and struck me with lighning for being an unbeliever or something. I have a pragmatic streak, as well: at my house, people who didn’t believe in Santa Claus didn’t get presents from him.
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01.03.08
Posted in Blogging, Changes, Christianity, Church, Jesus, Life, Mormonism, Religion, Spiritual Practice, Spirituality at 5:43 pm by Kullervo
So although I haven’t really been blogging very much, I’ve been doing a lot of thinking, and my life has also been changing in a lot of unexpected ways. I’m reluctant to go into a great amount of detail, but I have something coming up that is big and scary and sort of looming, but also something that I am looking forward to. In many ways in my life it will be an important threshold, a very real passage from one phase of life into another.
Because of this looming event, I am reluctant to make any kind of spiritual commitment, even a provisional one. I fear that anything I start will be seriously disrupted by the changes in my life- changes that are going to last months. At the same time, I am worried that I won’t have any kind of spiritual framework to carry me through what are doubtless going to be some very dark and difficult times. In the past, in situations as similar as can be expected, my faith in Mormonism helped me a great deal. This time I’m going through something unlike anything I’ve ever gone through before, but I feel like I’m on really unsteady ground. I’m not entirely sure what to do.
We have stopped going to church as a family, mostly because I was so unsure of whether I believed in Jesus and whether I was even interested in Christianity, and church attendance felt like the spiritual equivalent of being on a moving train. It was going somewhere that I wasn’t sure I wanted to go at all, and I felt that it was important to get off the dang train and figure out where I wanted to go, at least in some vague sense, before I got moving again. This has been a deliberate decision with the understanding that it is temporary–I don’t want to merely get out of the habit of church or spiritual practice and simply become entirely secular by lazy default.
I have inklings and tugs in different directions at the moment that I’m going to blog about, but like I said, I’m reluctant to start anything both because of the chages that are coming in my life and because of a fear of spiritual commitment that is my unfortunate aftermath of a lifetime of faithful Mormonism.
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11.27.07
Posted in Academia, Agnosticism, Asatru, Atheism, Christianity, Christmas, Church, Conversion, Deconversion, Druidry, Faith, Family, God, Jesus, Mormonism, Mysticism, Relationship, Religion, Spirituality at 11:03 pm by Kullervo
So, the fact that I’m not posting much on here isn’t really indicative of a lack of thinking in the religious/spiritual vein. In fact, I’ve been thinking in overdrive, but not coming to any conclusions and not really going anywhere with it. My brother, Racticas (he comments here somewhat infrequently) is now in a Religious Studies masters program, so that’s added an interesting academic element to both of our searches.
I’m not going to church now, but it’s a deliberate thing. I feel like participation in church gives me a kind of uncomfortable vertigo-like feeling. Like the merry-go-round is going awfully fast for someone like me who’s not even sure he wants to be on the playground. I don’t know if that metaphor makes much sense. I feel like participation in church means moving in a direction, whether or not I know I want to be moving in that direction, or indeed moving at all.
In my head I’m going back and forth and around and around: Christianity-Asatru-Agnosticism-Atheism-Paganism-Christmas-Asatru-Christianity-Agnosticism-Frustration-Druidry-Christianity-Frustration-Anger-Christianity-Asatru, and I like Christmas. I don’t really know what to do with any of it. Every religion in the world is repugnant to me for some reason, but so many of them are attractive to me for so many other reasons. At the same time, I just don’t know if I can, or if I am willing to, simply will myself to believe. I find myself yearning for a catalyzing spiritual experience, but they just don’t seem to happen. Indeed, I don’t know if mysticism has ever really happened for me.
In other words, I’m no better off than I was nine months ago. Look at my archives; you’ll see what I mean. I know some of the Christians out there would say that my problem is that I’m trying to connect to a religion instead of connecting to Jesus, but for all practical purposes that still just sounds like gobbledygook. I have yet to figure out what “being in a relationship with Jesus” even means. But I still really like Christmas, and I am hesitant to even consider giving it up, and the religious significance in particular.
Maybe I’m just afraid to commit, mentally and emotionally. Or maybe I really just want a reason to believe that’s greater than just my preference. I’m not interested in atheism, and I don’t think I could ever be happy with atheism. But I don’t know if I could ever be happy with Christianity, Asatru, Druidry, or anything else. And I sure am never going to be happy with agnosticism. And I’m absolutely sure that I’m never going back to Mormonism.
I feel more desperate about it than I ever did before, partially because of simply being frustrated at how long this has gone on, and partially (mainly) because of major, earthshaking, terrifying life changes that are coming very soon during which I think faith could probably be a great source of strength.
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11.08.07
Posted in Anglicanism, Atheism, Belief, Blogging, Brainwashing, C. S. Lewis, Christianity, Church, Episcopal Church, Faith, Hope, Literature, Liturgy, Mormonism, Music, Religion, Theology, Thought at 7:53 am by Kullervo
I know I’ve been over this time and again, but it’s been on my mind for weeks, so I’m going to blog about it. I’m just not sure what to do, say, or believe about religion.
I like Christianity. I find it moving, relevant, hopeful, important. I like the Bible, I like Jesus, I like the richness of Christian theology, I attend an Episcopal church and I like the liturgy. But I just don’t know if I believe in Christianity. I don’t know how to. I know if I totally immersed myself in Christianity- literature, music, thought, etc., that all my doubts would fade, but that’s exactly what I did with Mormonism. It’s not because the thing I’m busying myself with is actually true, but because I’m so busy with it that I get wrapped up in it and stop questioning it. I’m unwilling to do that again because I believe it is a kind of self-brainwashing, and because I know it doesn’t necessarily last.
I like Mere Christianity, but I have major problems with almost every Christian denomination in practice (and in theology). And even when I find an unobjectionable denomination (i.e. Anglicanism), I still am left unsure if I really believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that his life and what he allegedly did are significant to me as anything other than a historical curiosity. I don’t want to be an atheist, but I’m afraid that leaving Mormonism has left me unable to deal with religion. Even if I was sure I wanted to be Christian, I wouldn’t be sure of where to start.
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10.02.07
Posted in Anglicanism, Belief, Blogging, Christianity, Episcopal Church, Faith, Gospel, Jesus Christ, Meta, Religion, Transformation, Worship at 1:05 pm by Kullervo
Sorry, this is kind of two posts in one.
I’ve been struggling with belief and faith lately. My wife and I are attending an Episcopal parish, but we’re still not sure if it’s the place for us. I am strongly attracted to the Episcopal form of worship, but the attitude and the sermons always reflect a kind of “Religion Lite.” It seems like every sermon is about how the Gospel reading isn’t as radical as it sounds, how it doesn’t really invite you to totally change your way of life, but is just telling you to think happy thoughts and keep on living the basically good life you’re living.
I don’t feel Challenged, invited to be more like Jesus and live a radically different kind of existence. I don’t feel like this parish is about transforming us into New People, but telling us we’re fine the way things are. It seems a little empty.
At the same time, I’m struggling with Christianity as a whole. Do I really believe in Jesus at all, or do I just like Christianity? There’s a big difference between the two, and unfortunately I think I may just like Christianity. I’m not sure what to do about it.
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07.23.07
Posted in Bible, Christian Science, Christianity, God, Karl Barth, Mysticism, Prayer, Protestantism, Religion, Roman Catholicism, Salvation Army, Scripture, Spirituality, Theology at 9:38 am by Kullervo
“When we come to the Bible with our questions—How shall I think of God and the universe? How arrive at the divine?—it answers us, as it were, “My dear sir. these are your problems: you must not ask me! Whether it is better to hear Mass or hear a sermon, whether the proper form of Christianity is to be discovered in the Salvation Army or in ‘Christian Science.’ whether your religion should be more a religion of the understanding, or of the feelings, you can and must decide for yourself.” The Bible tells us not how we should talk with God but what he says to us; not how we find the way to him. but how he has sought and found the way to us.” -Karl Barth, from this article.
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