As a little kid in elementary school, I was obsessed with Greek mythology. In high school I branched out into Celtic and Arthurian lore, and then in college I fell in love with Vikings and Norse mythology, but the pattern is fairly consistent: for most of my life, myth and legend have resonated strongly and deeply with me, and I mostly haven’t known what to do about it. To emphasize, this stuff has hit me deep, much more so than just cool stories. I felt there was a transcendent truth to mythology–especially the mythology of my genealogical and cultural ancestors.
As a Mormon, the best reconciliation for this was that the world’s mythologies contain truth but in a corrupted form. All nations in the world can trace their ancestry back to Adam and Eve, in other words to someone who knew the truth of the gospel, and thus their religion and lore contained bits and fragments of Eternal Truth. This is a decent attempt at reconciliation, but never really flew for me, especially since myth and legend worked its magic on me on a deep, primal level that Mormonism never could reach.
C. S. Lewis attempted a similar reconciliation in Miracles by claiming that these myths, especially inasmuch as they had parallels or thematic similarities to Christianity, were a kind of “good dream,” sent by God as a kind of mental preparation for the message of Jesus Christ. This makes a lot of sense in the larger context of Lewis’s work, since he gives a lot of credit to the wisdom of our pagan ancestors and feels that it is applicable to Christianity. More than once he claims that you can’t convert someone from atheism to Christianity, but that you have to learn to be a good pagan before you can learn to be a good Christian. That works better for me than the Mormon version, but since I still have significant problems with Christianity, the need to reconcile the two sort of fades away over time.
Since leaving Mormonism and trying to figure out what I really do believe, I have gone back and forth because I have to reconcile a lot of different values, interests, and spiritual feelings that are not necessarily tied together in a neat package. This came to a head last fall when I went to see Amon Amarth and Ensiferum in concert. At the time I had been mentally committed to Christianity for awhile–I was doing my best to figure out how to proceed as a Christian even though progress was sort of slow and fumbling. But I went to this overtly pagan heavy metal show, and it reached deep and struck those primal chords that are always compelled by myth and legend. I walked away form the concert deeply confused and troubled, because here I was trying to be a Christian, when paganism is, at least spiritually speaking, so much more compelling to me.
So I was left muddled for a bit. The viable options seemed like continuing on with (probably Episcopal) Christianity, AODA Druidry (still), and some kind of pagan reconstructionism. The problem with all of them was that I had different reasons to find them all compelling to different extents, but none of them had provided me with an experience that was sufficiently Dionysian to make me want to commit spiritually. Even my romance with mythology was not concrete or well-formed enough to compel me to some kind of spiritual action and/or commitment. It was just another inconsistent piece of the puzzle–something that seemed really important but I didn’t know what to do with it.
In particular, the concert left me thinking about Ásatrú and Germanic neopagan reconstructionism generally. There was something there that reached me spiritually, but for some reason, I couldn’t get my head into a place where I felt comfortable saying “this is my spiritual path.” I couldn’t shake the feeling that 1. it just seemed too much like LARPing, and I wanted to have a real, relevant spiritual direction, not to play Viking, and 2. as compelling as I found it, I just… didn’t really believe in the existence of the Norse gods.
Then a series of epiphanies hapened, that have resulted in monumental change in the way I think about religion. First, my wife and I watched Battlestar Galactica through again, starting with the miniseries. The human refugees in the show believe in the “Lords of Kobol,” which, at least in the reimagined series, are the Greek gods–they actually pray to Athena, Zeus, and Ares, and it doesn’t seem strange. What I am saying is that thei belief in the Greek gods did not seem anachronistic. It opened my eyes to a kind of ongoing universality to those gods–as a western person, the Greek gods are so embedded in my heritage that it was plausible to see the Colonial survivors believe in them and worship them without it seeming inconsistent or like they were playing Ancient Greek.
In particular I was struck by one scene, in the miniseries, where Starbuck quietly prays to idols of Athena and Aphrodite. There was something so genuine and authentic about it, and so spiritual and intimate, that it really touched me, and set wheels in motion–maybe the Greek gods have a relevance to me that–as cool as I think they are–the Norse gods don’t? It made me curious, at least, to look into it more, which led to my next powerful epiphany.
I was on the subway reading Edith Hamilton’s Mythology and listening to my iPod. For the most part, Hamilton is kind of dry, but when I came to the chapter on Dionysus, there was something about the writing that seemed, I don’t know, different somehow. Out of nowhere, the book grew vivid, compelling, vibrant, and relevant to me. And then my iPod–on shuffle–started to play the Passacaglia from Battlestar Galactica’s soundtrack. The combination of the two did something to me. It was like it moved me into another state of consciousness, almost a trance. I felt a closeness to Dionysus, I felt his reality. I could tell you what he smells like, even. I can feel in my mind what it is like to be in the presence of this god and physically touch him. It was amazing. It left my head reeling.
For the next several months I just kind of let that stew. It was important to me, but I wasn’t sure what t do about it. I started pouring out libations to Dionysus, and even to some of the other Greek gods, and it seemed fitting and proper. But I wasn’t engaged in any actual practice other than that, and putting together a playlist of songs (including the Passacaglia) that were particularly evocative of divinity in general and of Dionysus in specific.
The next, and perhaps the most significant event happened months later, about five or six weeks ago. Iw as studying for a Tax exam and I was letting myself get distracted. My experience with Dionysus had me looking a little more into Hellenic polytheism, mostly courtesy of executivepagan‘s blogroll, and I was thinking about the involvement of the gods in my life, what gods seemed more real than others, and what gods wereparticularly relevant to me. I was thinking about war gods actually. I’m an infantryman in the Army National Guard, and so warfare is a significant factor in my life. The main war gods of the Greeks were Ares, not a very well-liked or sympathetic god, and Athena, who despite the fact that I am a law student and part-time soldier, just doesn’t seem real or accessible to me. I was reading about Aphrodite, who I had had in mind recently in terms of love, romance, and sex in my relationship with my beautiful and sexy wife, and I came across something interesting: there is a warlike aspect to Aphrodite. Some of her names include “well-armed,” “warlike,” and “bringer of victory.” The more I thought about this aspect of Aphrodite, the more excited I became.
What happened next was nothing short of amazing. My excitement built and built, overflowing the boundaries into a kind of rolling epiphany, and from there it kept exploding inside me until it was full-blown euphoria. I felt the presence of a goddess. It was like being high, and it wasn’t fleeting or momentary; it lasted for hours before it finally subsided. It was like falling in love with a deity–it felt so warm and my pulse was racing and it was all I could think about. It was classical mystical euphoria–the paradigmatic experience of divinity. It was the thing I had been waiting for, and it happened to me.
So there I am. The way forward is not necessarily obvious to me: I can think of a lot of different possible ramifications for these experiences, and I intend to write a post about them later. But I have had vivid spiritual experiences with these gods, this wasn’t the kind of “spiritual experience” I had grown so skeptical of because of my history with Mormonism. I wasn’t trying to provoke these; I wasn’t dead set on feeling something, looking for any emotional condition that I could ascribe a spiritual dimension to. These came almost out of nowhere. These were surprises that I was neither looking for nor expecting.
The end result is that I not only believe in god, but I believe in gods.
Thank you for sharing this. I know that it is probably very scary to talk about something so personal. And I will beat anyone up who comes on to drive-by proselytize.
Again, congratulations.
I had something similar happen to me (not quite so intense I think). For all my pretense at being jaded, I’m a sucker for emotionalism and a bit of showy drama.
I was watching Fantasia 2000 with my young kids and we were watching the final bit with this spirit representing growth and life set to Stravinsky’s “Firebird Suite.” At the end, after the forest is burned to ashes, the female spirit rises triumphant and renews the burned land. As I was watching this, I was just suddenly struck by the thought that in some way “this is what my Mother is like.” Her loss, and her joy at the end struck me very hard. I felt I had, in some small way, found our Mother. Since it came right at a time I was wrestling with the troubled Mormon relationship with “Heavenly Mother,” it meant a lot to me.
It was a powerful and visceral emotional experience. Maybe I’m too given to sentiment, and I still feel a little embarrassed about the whole thing. But it meant a lot to me.
Seth,
Not to worry, the Firebird sequence always chokes me up at the end, no matter how many times I watch it – there’s such a powerful feeling of joy and exaltation… and I certainly feel it in a spiritual sense.
Kullervo,
Sannion has several Dionysos playlists on Youtube – you might want to check them out. (He’s got a bunch of stuff I’d never heard of.) And I know we’ve talked about this some offline, but I did want to join Jason in saying how pleased I am that you’re finding a way that looks like it might work for you!
My Dionysus playlist is one of the posts I have in the docket, actually (I can’t remember if I said that already).
Actually, speaking of playlists, I know you compose some pretty cool ones going around the eightfold year on your blog–do you have those indexed anywhere?
I’ve only done Samhain and Yule (with additions), actually, at least to date… I keep meaning to do others, but then I realize that what I really want to do is an Athena mix (plus all the work that I’m putting into the Neos Alexandria music pages).
I always feel so happy for people when I hear things like this, because it’s so amazing when it really does happen and yet impossible for someone who hasn’t been there to understand. Thank you for writing about it so eloquently.
Thank you for your kind words, Nettle.
And thank you katyjane for always being so incredibly supportive (but you deserve more than just a mention–I think I feel a post about how awesome you are in the works).
Also, thank you Seth for attempting to meet me on common ground here, even though I am not always particularly kind to you or to your religion. I wish other Mormons could do the same.
One question that I’m left with is when you say you believe in gods, what does that mean to you? In other words, in what sense are the gods real to you? What do you believe they are?
I’m asking out of genuine curiosity.
A fair question! Sorry to do this, but stay tuned.
Mormons believe in Gods. This shouldn’t be anything new to you. In the beginning of the Christian Bible, the word elohim is used, which is plural. The book of Abraham describes the existence of gods, both good and evil. The question is which ones are worshiped.
True, but I kind of think that is a belief that is held more in theory than one that is fully internalized by most Mormons.
Curious Kullervo, do you consider the Mormon need to demonstrate our “monotheism credentials” to other Christians to be an asset or a drawback in LDS belief?
Generally, I think the Mormon need to try to be part of the club is unfortunate, but it has been a major impetus of the religion since World War 2. Mormons came out of the war and into the 1950’s as a paradigmatic model of what clean-cut real America was supposed to be, which was a far cry from the Church’s prewar popular image: a deranged and sinister bearded desert cult. The Church had a positive popular image for the first time, and was completely intoxicated by it. From then, I feel like it’s been one long sell-out.
I wish Mormonism would be more true to its distinctives, and not be afraid to represent itself unapologetically.
Be kinda cool to be part of a bearded “desert cult.” I grow a nice beard…
“Long live the fighters!”
See? That’s what I’m talking about. Unfortunately, I think Mormonism’s future lies in a gradual assimilation into conservative American Christianity, until its only real distinctives are temple worship and an authoritarian hierarchy.
Wonderful to hear Kullervo! I am a regular reader but a rare (if ever[?]) commenter, but I had to send my congratulations on this piece of news. I know for me exploring religion seemed futile; not because none of them seem right, but because they all seem like I could make a spiritual path in them. For me picking a religion was also based on an unexpected spiritual experience that let me believe in a more objective way in my religion. I felt an intense love and feeling of presence centered around the person of `Abdu’l-Baha, and I became a Baha’i.
These sort of experiences are so odd, they are so intimately personal, so impossible to replicate, and wonderfully inspiring. That you have had yours is wonderful and I wish you all the best in your devotion and relationship to Dionysus!
Thank you, Gerald.
It was an interesting development you had. Apologists often use spiritual experience (such as feeling God’s love) as proof of their version of Christianity. But what they don’t realize is that spiritual experience is more immense than can be contained within orthodox Christian theology. I find it particularly insightful how you point out you weren’t looking for these experiences.
I’ve never been a part of any Pagan groups. Spirituality has been mostly a private affair for me. I’ve done a lot of meditation and mantra practice. Along with depression, my experience has been very internal. My most profound experiences were of emptiness and not euphoria. My only euphoric experiences were psychedelic in nature.
Kullervo,
I find the description of your experiences really fascinating. Thanks for sharing them.
There is something about the themes in myth and legend that strike deep into the guts of human experience. We can’t really escape them, or we do so at the cost of sacrificing the full spiritual side of our humanity.
Whether or not there is an Aphrodite watching over us, there is surely a ferocious river of spiritual power associated with human love and sex that it pays to understand and revere, if only to find out better what kind of beings we are.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment, Jared. I appreciate that kind of feedback.
Agreed, wholeheartedly. I’m not entirely certain that the distinction (between this river you are talking about and the construct “Aphrodite”) is all that important, or that it even exists.