So, based on my experience with Dionysus, I started looking into Hellenic Reconstructionism as a possible spiritual avenue. I realized that a vague spiritual closeness to one particular god could have a number of other possible interpretations and could signal the beginning of a lot of different things, but taking it on its face seemed the simplest, at least while I was just feeling things out.
So I started poking around a bit on Reconstructionist blogs, sites, and forums. It was fruitful in a sense, because a discussion on a Hellenic Recon forum is what provoked my intense experience with Aphrodite. But moving from that point forward, Hellenic Reconstructionism seemed like a dead end, and it still does.
Part of it is a basic head-space issue. When I try to think of myself as a Hellenic Reconstructionist or a member of the religion “Hellenismos,” it just doesn’t click right. It seems foolish, even–the idea of me as a Hellenic Recon, not the idea of Hellenic Recon itself. I started looking into Sponde (which is a great site that seems to have sadly and suddenly disappeared), and reading Tim Alexander’s forum a lot, with the end result being that is just didn’t all feel right. In fact, I started to even waver in how I felt about the gods: trying to force myself into a Reconstructionist mold was actually pushing me away from the divine, not propelling me towards it.
When I realized it, I almost breathed a sigh of relief. I was getting to that same place I always get, when I wake up one morning and decide that everything I thought was so great last night is now stupid and even embarrassing. And that’s not acceptable: if Reconstructionism makes me embarrassed about my gods–gods whose presence I believe I have really felt–then regardless of the arguments for it, Reconstructionism is not for me.
Although I have had powerful experiences with gods who were worshipped by the ancient Greeks, I don’t necessarily feel like that means that I am bound to worship them or think about them the way the ancient Greeks did. In fact, I feel that there’s no particular reason at all to draw that conclusion except for lack of any other viable spiritual avenue.
This is not to say that I think the religious practices of the ancients are irrelevant or worthless: at the moment my spiritual life consists primarily of prayer, libations, and small sacrifices of barleycorns and wine to the gods. Those are practices that the ancients most certainly would recognize if they walked into my living room or kitchen today. But I can’t see myself identifying as a true Recon for a number of reasons (partly a gut thing, and partly because I’m not sure the Greek Myth paradigm punches all of the spiritual buttons that I feel like need to be punched in order to be fulfilled, but more on that in a future post), and I certainly have no interest in drawing the borders of my spiritual beliefs and practices in the range that is generally considered acceptable to Reconstructionists.
So the gods are in, but Hellenismos is out. What does that mean for me? I have indicated that I have a hunger for the divine that I want to fill, and I have an intuition that appropriate spiritual practice is an extremely important part of what I am after. So where do I get those practices? Do I look outside myself at all for the limits of my belief, or do I shoot completely from the hip, accepting the consequences and dealing with the likelihood that in the end my beliefs will be an undisciplined pile of incomprehensible, substanceless mish-mash? Or is that really true, or is it just the Mormon in me still thinking that religion is only legitimate if its borders are clearly defined and its beliefs and practices are clearly prescribed by a hierarchical authority? These are the questions that try my soul. Not as an academic exercise, but as real things for me to consider as I try to move forward spiritually.
An option that worked for me is ADF, as I’ve mentioned previously. I think you investigated ADF previously but I don’t know what your experiences were, however you’ll find very little to constrict you belief-wise or in your ability to create your own liturgies if you don’t want to feel like you’re LARPing.
More generally, Eclectic neopaganism, although it has a bad name recently, can be as shallow or deep as you want it to be. You have to do almost all of the work yourself, sadly.
I have a lot of thoughts on eclectic neopaganism that I plan on expressing in future posts. Probably no surprise: I have some serious reservations. Nevertheless, I think there may be a fine line to walk between stodgy, reactionary reconstructionism and disjointed, everything-goes liberal eclecticism.
And for the record, I am significantly more interested in the AODA than the ADF.
AODA is a great organization too.
Would love to hear more of your thoughts on eclecticism and will wait for your future post.
Wow. I just starting reading hellenismos.us thanks to your posts. I had no idea that some Reconstructionists could be that hot-headed about Neopaganism.
I appreciate the comment you made here.
So I’m starting to dislike how much I seem to be defending ADF…I sound like a salesman. Nevertheless, I feel compelled to write a little more.
“stodgy, reactionary reconstructionism and disjointed, everything-goes liberal eclecticism.”
I believe this is exactly the fine line that ADF is attempting to walk, so much so that I penned a nearly-identical line 15 minutes ago as I prepared for a talk I’m giving on Friday.
I’m excited to hear what you have to say, and I wait with ever more bated breath for your post on eclectic Paganism, AODA, ADF, et al.
@jalto7,
There are a couple of vocal fundamentalists over there; they certainly don’t represent (IMO) the entirety even of Recon Hellenism, much less the broader Hellenistic movement.
*whispers* Even some Hellenists feel weirded out when they read the forum that you mentioned. If you want to engage with people who worship Greek deities (many of whom are recons, but there are definitely some who are not), check out http://forum.hellenistai.com/index.php, which now contains 30% less MSG!*
No one needs to “force” themselves into a Reconstructionist world view. The offerings that you are making sound quite respectable, in fact, and as long as the Gods aren’t going “ZOMG, NOOOOO! ;___;” I think you’re good. 🙂
Huh–looks interesting. I will check it out.
I notice that some of the most heavily commented sections over there are on syncretism and mystical practices, which would give certain vocal Recons a case of the vapors… 🙂
I love those vapors, though. They’re like surprise candy showing up at my door — and twice the fun! 😉 *clears throat* I agree that those sections are getting a lot of traffic, and this could be because people seldom find places where they can express these things without censure. It will probably balance out eventually.
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You will find a wide range of Hellenistai if you dig deeply enough. Just like many other religions, we have our fundamentalists and our religious liberals, our empiricists and our mystics, and everything in between. We frequently (and vocally) disagree with one another, and I would be lying if I said there was no Hellenic drama. While not the best way of expressing our passion for Hellenic Polytheism, these things are signs that we really do care about the Gods and the future of our faith.
If I had started out with “reading Tim Alexander’s forum a lot” meep! no kidding! I don’t think I would have gotten into Hellenic Recon for more than 5 minutes. I certainly wouldn’t have ended up elected as the president of Hellenion.
Your post has taught me there is a downside to the rest of us avoiding TJA like the plague
So far I like this forum
http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?board=60.0
and Hellenion is looking at getting one going – we realized we had self selected ourselves into a group that likes private email lists, but that seems to be excluding a number of people! So we have the tech for
http://www.hellenion.org/forum/
but haven’t figured out how to drive the vibrant content.
I had an unfortunate start on The Cauldron, and have since decided that it is a place I could not be less interested in, for a variety of reasons. The whole “prove you’re not a n00b before we let you in” vibe just utterly stinks, and they have some quirky rules that are easy to violate by accident.
oh, somehow I missed that, but I admit I skip huge swaths of the Cauldron site.